one is to grover norquist. one is to the constitution of the united states. which one am i going to honor?" and that's the choice they have to make. and you have to be honest about the conversation. because on the tax raising side of it, you know, the argument is, "we're going to tax the multimillionaires." but actually, the proposal is $250,000. it's not millionaires and it's not multimillionaires. and so, there's dishonesty coming from both sides and both sides digging in their heels and saying, you know, "we're just not going to budge." and you can't operate that way. that's why i say they should act as americans, not republicans and democrats. this is not about fixing the problems of the country. it's about the elections of 2014. >> let me play for you an interview that norquist did with politico's mike allen. >> this president is not going to extend. he knows that he loses his leverage that way. >> okay, well, the republicans also have other leverage: continuing resolutions on spending and the debt ceiling increase. they can give him debt ceiling increas